This conversation isn’t really about music, AI, or crypto. It’s about what happens when you stop assuming things work… and start asking how they actually break.

Anton lives in that world. Security, cryptography, distributed systems — places where you don’t get to rely on good intentions. You assume failure, attack, manipulation… and then build anyway.

We talk about creativity, and it turns out most people aren’t blocked — they just quit too early. We talk about AI, and it’s not really about whether it’s “good or bad,” it’s about the fact that it’s already here and doesn’t care how you feel about it. Same with finance, same with media — the systems are shifting whether you’re ready or not.

The idea that kept coming up for me was this: We’ve spent years building a world on trust…and now we’re slowly replacing it with systems that don’t require it.

Not because we want to — but because we’ve seen what happens when trust fails.

That shift has consequences. In money, in war, in identity, even in how you think about yourself. And somewhere in there, there’s a question:

If everything becomes trustless… what actually holds things together?